144,000 of the tribes of Israel is not symbolic


Manasseh, Dan , Levi, Joseph and Ephraim. The four people or tribes that JW use to try and point out that the tribes mentioned are only symbolic and none of their descendant and bloodline are the ones mentioned because they feel these somehow means them for the most part. For one, the bible would never spend this much time into a concept identifying each tribe individually both in numbers and names of each tribe of Israel that remained under Gods family tree.

Look at the verse: REV 7:4

4And I heard the number of those who were sealed, one hundred and forty-four thousand sealed from every tribe of the sons of Israel:
5from the tribe of Judah, twelve thousand were sealed, from the tribe of Reuben twelve thousand, from the tribe of Gad twelve thousand,
6from the tribe of Asher twelve thousand, from the tribe of Naphtali twelve thousand, from the tribe of Manasseh twelve thousand,
7from the tribe of Simeon twelve thousand, from the tribe of Levi twelve thousand, from the tribe of Issachar twelve thousand,
8from the tribe of Zebulun twelve thousand, from the tribe of Joseph twelve thousand, from the tribe of Benjamin, twelve thousand were sealed.

If only symbolic there would be no need to mention each tribe and the numbers and how they were separated. If symbolic it would just mention ” The 144,000 of the Israel” at best. It wouldn’t go in such detail about each tribe name and number just for God to turn around and tell those people he he changed his mind or that he lied about their decedents when they stand in front of him. GOD WOULD NEVER TELL A BLOODLINE OF PEOPLE THAT ACTUALLY EXIST THAT THEY WILL BE CHOSEN AND THEN NOT CHOOSE THEM.They fail to accept Romans chapter 11 showing that by no means has God forgot about his original people when it was his will in the first place that they not see Christ as the Messiah in order to save the rest. What they stand on saying is that these tribes don’t all exist or didn’t exist. At first class you would get that as well until you look at the history of the tribes found in any history book and in the bible. For one the tribe of LEVI were the Levitical priest family that never had land because they remained inside the temple. So no land was ever assigned to them but this doesn’t mean they didn’t exist. How else did Israel get their form of forgiveness without them. Then we have the missing land of the tribe of Joseph they said didn’t exist but it did. The land is and always was separated into two lands both by his two sons.

According to the Hebrew Bible, the Tribe of Ephraim (Hebrew: אֶפְרַיִם / אֶפְרָיִם, Modern Efrayim Tiberian ʾEp̄ráyim / ʾEp̄rā́yim ; “double fruitfulness”) was one of the Tribes of Israel. The Tribe of Manasseh together with Ephraim also formed the House of Joseph.
The descendants of Joseph formed two of the tribes of Israel, whereas each of the other sons of Jacob was the founder of only one tribe”……… (Link here)

And according to the bible the land or tribe house of Ephraim was cut off due to sin as a well as Dan so they could never be apart of the promises or privileges of the 144,000 gathering. That same land or tribe that was once two Manasseh and Ephraim became Manasseh and Joseph’s now that Ephraim was removed as well as Dan(by default because its origins falls back under the house of which it came before being granted). As shown in the above official map of the land separation. Then we have the Levi tribe having no land above. And any history book and bible information explains very easily that this was indeed a family of priesthood promises known as the Levitical priest. This tribe or bloodlines was essential to the sure spiritual will being of all the children of Israel They were their only hope of forgiveness and the only ones that could approach the Arch of the Covenant. They were never given land because they remained in the temple and served there. So they would never be found on a land layout of the houses. So what does that mean? It means that the excuses to use that the tribes mentioned didn’t exist and only symbolic is a flat out mistake or lie. Every one of the tribes mentioned existed and the bloodlines exist today. And if they existed how can one say that God would lie to a bloodline when those people stand in front of him wondering about their 12,000 role and God tells them “oh I was just playing, it really wasn’t your family bloodline even though I flat out said it was”???? That would be a flat out lie. That would never happen and if you say it will then you better have scripture that flat out says it and not merely implying because in the end you would be saying that God just lied to those people. As stated above again, God would never make a bloodline promise that he only said just to point out another group of people outside of that bloodline. Just like Paul said in Romans ch 11 he will by no means not compete what he started in Israel. One day he will raise his people up and they will be under him again. And even though we want to make the bible about us here in the States. It’s not people! It’s about Israel !!! Always has been and always will be. We only benefit from his grace to be included not to replace them. JW’s wake up friends you all are good enough to be with all the others that remain holy and faithful. Don’t let the watch tower or any other person make you doubt your position and equality with anyone else that has lived in your organization or is living in it today. This is all man concepts. Man wanting to be or feel more important than the rest of the members. All of this that we go through here on earth and struggles to remain holy isn’t just so we maybe alive again but that we may be alive again with Him. Even Revelation reveals his desire when it says that God Himself will dwell in New Jerusalem with all those that stayed in faith and finished the race. His desire is to be with all of us that are called by the blood of his Son as saved and adapted sons of the most high. You aren’t going through all this to remain just like we are in earth now, unable to see him or speak to him face to face or have a one on one relationship with. He desires all of the walls to come down and his revealing to be finally done,silence finally removed and he will remain with us forever in the new city on earth. All of us that are saved not just 144,000 of those that are saved.


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